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The next is the total transcript of the year-end CBS Information correspondents roundtable with Jan Crawford, David Martin, Robert Costa, Catherine Herridge and Jeff Pegues that aired on Sunday, Dec. 24, 2023 on “Face the Nation.”
MARGARET BRENNAN: Good morning and welcome to Face the Nation on this Christmas Eve.
It is custom right here at CBS Information to assemble our Washington reporters and sit up for the 12 months forward. We start with our beat reporters right here within the nation’s capital. David Martin is CBS Information nationwide safety correspondent. Jan Crawford is our chief authorized correspondent. Robert Costa is our chief election and marketing campaign correspondent. Catherine Herridge, senior investigative correspondent, and Jeff Pegues is our chief nationwide affairs and justice correspondent. So thanks all for celebrating with us and being right here on the desk.
Jan, I need to begin with you as a result of we’re heading right into a 12 months the place the Supreme Courtroom goes to play such a central function to our politics. We noticed simply this previous week, the Colorado Supreme Courtroom dominated that the previous President Donald Trump could possibly be disqualified from holding workplace as a result of he engaged in revolt main as much as January 6, how agency of a legal-legal floor is that this on right here?
JAN CRAWFORD: I imply, sure, I imply, the courtroom goes to be entrance and middle and the presidential marketing campaign. And that is simply one in all a variety of points that these justices are going to must confront within the upcoming 12 months. This one requested whether or not or not he is even certified for being president, I imply, for working for president due to a clause within the 14th Modification.
Now, the Colorado Supreme Courtroom was sharply divided on this, 4 to three. And that is a call it reached, saying he wasn’t certified beneath this provision that different state Supreme Courts have seen otherwise. There are a variety of issues with the arguments that they adopted, that they sort of simply blow proper by, and the Supreme Courtroom, I do not suppose goes to sort of give it that sort of gloss. I imply, a few of the questions that I believe the courtroom will look very carefully at in the event that they take this up, and I believe they must take this case up, is how Trump could be thought of an insurrectionist if he was not charged or convicted of revolt, and whether or not or not the 14th modification and this part particularly would even apply to him in any respect, as somebody who’s a former president or working for president.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However other than this specific case, there are others that the Supreme Courtroom might take up in relation to the previous president and present front-runner for the Republican nomination.
JAN CRAWFORD: I imply, it is sort of like whack-a-mole, proper? You recognize, such as you received one over right here and you bought to attempt to, , he’ll attempt to put this one up and knock it down. So with that, one is, in fact, the brink query of whether or not or not he might even be thought of certified to run for workplace.
The — One other main difficulty, authorized difficulty brewing is whether or not he could be prosecuted criminally for a few of the actions round Jan. 6. Now, a federal district courtroom choose right here in DC mentioned that he was not completely immune from prosecution as the previous president, the particular counsel who has in fact charged, the previous president, with the actions round Jan. 6, has requested the Supreme Courtroom and naturally, we’ll see how they deal with this, has requested the Supreme Courtroom to leap over an appeals courtroom and determine whether or not or not the previous president United States is immune from prison prosecution for actions he took in workplace. That can also be a significant case involving whether or not or not Trump is even going to be standing trial within the subsequent 12 months, for Jan. 6.
MARGARET BRENNAN: This can be a large request to return from the particular counsel, it is uncommon to attempt to convey all of it the way in which to the courtroom this shortly proper on an expedited foundation? Every thing about —
JAN CRAWFORD: Every thing about that is uncommon. No president has ever been charged with against the law.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Honest level, honest level.
JAN CRAWFORD: You’ve got all of this. And that is what’s so fascinating in regards to the Supreme Courtroom. I imply, , you go look, and I am making an attempt to say what is the courtroom going to do with this? Oh, wow. You recognize, there’s probably not a variety of instances to have a look at, as a result of a lot of that is the problem— There are problems with first impression that, that the courtroom goes to have to leap in and and determine.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And this may have main implications, clearly, Bob Costa on the marketing campaign you are overlaying, however inform me what you are listening to about what the Particular Counsel is pondering and going by way of the steps.
ROBERT COSTA: Nicely, I am glad I am sitting subsequent to Jan right here, as a result of I believe we will be sitting subsequent to one another quite a bit within the coming 12 months, as a result of politics is so now intertwined with what is going on on with the Supreme Courtroom.
And as I look forward as a reporter, the marketing campaign goes to return again many times, prone to the excessive courtroom and the way it may take into account Trump’s conduct in and round Jan. 6, whether or not it is the immunity query, whether or not it is in regards to the Jan. 6, defendants who’ve their instances coming earlier than the Supreme Courtroom, whether or not it is about how the courts going to proceed, if Trump’s convicted within the Particular Counsel case, all this comes all the way down to what was an revolt, what’s an insurrectionist kind act? What was the president’s function? What did he not do? Did he conspire in opposition to the US?
And so even when the Supreme Courtroom steps in within the coming days and weeks and guidelines on the Colorado State Supreme Courtroom ruling, there’s nonetheless going to be that final lingering query of what occurs within the Jack Smith particular counsel case and whether or not Trump is dedicated — convicted of conspiring in opposition to the US.
And based mostly on our reporting at CBS Information, the particular counsel has has cellphone data, he has memos and diary entries from key witnesses like former Vice President Mike Pence. Key eyewitness testimony from people who find themselves contained in the Oval Workplace with Trump. And we received a little bit of a style of this with the Jan. 6 committee in recent times, however they’d one thing within the particular counsel’s workplace Jan. 6 committee by no means had, which is subpoena energy to actually go deep with witnesses and never simply get public testimony.
In some depositions, they’ve gone deep. And I’ve talked to individuals who’ve participated on this investigation as attorneys, generally whilst witnesses. And it is evident to me based mostly on my conversations with sources that Jack Smith has a sprawling case in opposition to former President Donald Trump.
MARGARET BRENNAN: He additionally has as a result of it’s so unprecedented.
JAN CRAWFORD: And the query is, is he going to. I imply, that is a brief query on immunity is, is he going to have the ability to current that case?
MARGARET BRENNAN And does he- and does he need to and the way far does that get pursued? As a result of this has such implications for the political selections of voters, but additionally arguably the nationwide safety of the nation.14:54:00
ROBERT COSTA
Nicely, Jack Smith is shifting and Decide Chutkin, the choose in Washington, DC, she’s shifting as nicely. And Jeff and I’ve been monitoring that, and it is a case that is making an attempt to maneuver ahead in March. However due to the whole lot that is earlier than the Supreme Courtroom, we might see that Jan. 6 case not begin an excessive amount of later within the 12 months, if it ever begins in any respect. So that you see an aggressive prosecutor in Jack Smith, however no ensures on timing.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Catherine and Jeff, I do know you’ve got talked to a variety of legislation enforcement sources as nicely. What is the diploma of concern about what occurs how- as this performs out within the coming 12 months?
JEFF PEGUES: Already legislation enforcement throughout the nation is coping with an uptick in home terrorism instances? You were- you had been speaking about the way you two could be sitting subsequent to one another in the- within the coming 12 months?
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JEFF PEGUES: Yeah. Which is an effective factor. I would be part of you sooner or later, as a result of there’s this concern about how will the general public react if there’s a conviction in any of those instances, and already, the variety of home terrorism instances that they have been investigating the FBI particularly, in comparison with the variety of worldwide terrorism organizations and people sorts of instances, there are about working even, so legislation enforcement is can also be very targeted on stopping any sort of home terrorism. 14:55:16
CATHERINE HERRIDGE: Simply to choose up on what Jeff is saying, based mostly on my reporting, we’re on this extremely dynamic risk atmosphere proper now. The newest bulletins speak about a heightened risk atmosphere all through the winter, not simply across the holidays, and New Yr’s Eve, which is what we historically see. And the main focus squarely is on lone actors or lone offenders, people who’re impressed by occasions abroad, or they’re impressed to behave radicalized by home occasions, and really opportunistic. So it talks about automobile ramming assaults, it talks about weapons, it talks about knives, and a really brief, what legislation enforcement calls flash to bang, that interval in between eager to act after which making the choice to behave.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And David Martin, this, this is the place I need to flip to you, as a result of we have already got all this form of kindling out right here. After which you’ve an enormous occasion, like we noticed with Oct. 7, the assault in Israel and the next very brutal struggle that continues to play out that the US is actually making an attempt to convey to a conclusion. How far out are we as a result of that’s elevating considerations about US nationwide safety at house?
DAVID MARTIN: Nicely, the Israelis have informed the U.S., they suppose they’ll wrap up the present part, which is that this basic offensive in opposition to Hamas in Gaza, in early January.
However then they are saying this struggle goes to go on for months. Hamas has been in comparison with ISIS. So it is value remembering that our struggle with ISIS began through the Obama administration. We overran the final ISIS stronghold within the Trump administration. And right here we’re within the Biden administration and particular operations forces are nonetheless conducting the occasional raid into jap Syria to go after an ISIS chief. Now, Gaza is much more restricted than jap Syria–
MARGARET BRENNAN: It is simply 25 miles.
DAVID MARTIN: And that, hopefully will maintain this from being a yearslong battle. However terrorist organizations die laborious. That is simply the actual fact.
MARGARET BRENNAN And you have had the Protection Secretary mainly say this might create extra radicalization due to what’s taking place there, but additionally the impressions and what the world is watching by way of this use of American Power.
DAVID MARTIN: Win the battle however lose the struggle.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Precisely.
DAVID MARTIN: Get rid of Hamas, however develop into much less safe due to your ways, that are dropping you worldwide assist, and creating an entire new chain era of younger those who need nothing however to see the destruction of Israel. That is, that is the lethal sport that Israel was taking part in right here. However they, they positive do not present any indicators of backing off their authentic intention to get rid of Hamas.
MARGARET BRENNAN: No and that is spilling out publicly now in these variations between Prime Minister Netanyahu and President Biden within the imaginative and prescient for what occurs subsequent and the way this performs out. Within the Center East, as nicely, David, the administration likes to say, whereas they could not have the ability to persuade the Israeli prime minister to do what they need, they suppose they’ve largely contained this from turning into the worst-case situation they imagined of a wider regional struggle. However there’s nonetheless a variety of harmful exercise taking place.
DAVID MARTIN : Nicely, you’ve got had over 100 assaults by Iranian-backed militias in opposition to American troop places in Iraq and Syria. The Houthis, who most individuals had by no means heard of earlier than the beginning of this struggle, these- these rebels in- in Yemen, who had been additionally backed by Iran have are available in on the facet of Hamas, and have fired greater than 100 missiles and drones, both at Israel, or at any ship passing by that they suppose could also be coming both to or from Israel. And the US is making an attempt very laborious to not let both of these conditions get out of hand. After 100 assaults on American troops, you must retaliate some, you may’t let the opposite guys simply get free photographs. They usually have taken some retaliatory strikes, however they’re very restricted. And I believe that can keep the identical except and till one in all these mortars, one in all these rockets, one in all these drones, will get by way of and kills or critically injures People. After which the entire calculus adjustments. With the Houthis, the simple factor is to go after the websites, that are launching these- these drones and these missiles. The US as a substitute is making an attempt to kind this worldwide consortium of navies that can patrol the Crimson Sea, we’ll see what number of nations really contribute ships to this. And the Houthis have already mentioned they do not care, they’re gonna maintain attacking. And the delivery firms and the oil firms have their very own resolution, which is simply to keep away from the Crimson Sea, go round Africa, regardless that it takes one other additional two weeks to get there.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And would possibly elevate costs.
DAVID MARTIN: And would possibly elevate costs.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And would possibly elevate costs by the way in which, convey it again to the financial system. Nicely, there’s a lot to be involved about on that entrance, however again on the home entrance. Jeff and Catherine, one of many issues that we proceed to trace with this lack of progress concerning a brand new settlement for the US border is that this diploma of crossing that’s taking place on very excessive ranges, generally not from Latin America, however younger males, particularly, from different nations of origin. CBP put out a bulletin speaking about this, that they are really see cartels bringing individuals from Africa, to transit by way of the US border. What are they fascinated about this at Homeland Safety and the FBI?
JEFF PEGUES: Nicely, it’s clearly a safety concern. In case you have issues like this and the inflow of migrants by way of these borders, it’s- it might be comparatively straightforward to overlook somebody related to a terrorist group making an attempt to slide by way of the border. I believe whether or not you are Republican or Democrat on this difficulty, I believe proper now, all people’s seeing that. Whether or not they get something performed in Congress is- is an enormous query. And you’ve got CBP officers, they’re asking for extra assist, as a result of irrespective of how many individuals they surge to the border, for some purpose, they’re all the time outnumbered. They do not have the sources that they want. Along with that, you’ve these cartels who’ve develop into pretty subtle at getting individuals in. If the CBP surges to 1 space, they’re going to transfer to the following. So that they’re discovering holes within the system.
CATHERINE HERRIDGE: It isn’t nearly overseas nationals coming who might pose a nationwide safety risk. I’ve heard from whistleblowers at CBP who additionally complain that the gathering of DNA from individuals who come into the nation, one thing they’re purported to do shouldn’t be being performed on a mass scale and so they need that DNA to allow them to run it in opposition to an present FBI database of chilly instances to allow them to perceive whether or not the people who find themselves coming again into the nation are additionally linked to excellent crimes.
JAN CRAWFORD: Aren’t there 10,000? How many individuals are coming within the nation now? 10,000?
CATHERINE HERRIDGE: They’re numbers that may’t be processed.
JAN CRAWFORD: How might you possibly- right here you are speaking 10,000 or extra individuals a day coming in illegally.
MARGARET BRENNAN Nicely, or being encountered, and- and that is a part of the argument with altering immigration legislation to mainly make it tougher to say asylum. However there are such a lot of large points dealing with the nation proper now. It is like virtually not possible to squeeze all of them in. However to return to the authorized challenges and the broader questions on our establishments and the way they’re functioning, Catherine, you’ve this extraordinary job of overlaying the President’s personal son and his authorized points. Hunter Biden, with these indictments, three associated to a firearm, felony counts, 9 associated to tax points. The place does this go?
CATHERINE HERRIDGE: 2024 goes to be a 12 months of unimaginable authorized publicity for the president’s son and these prison prosecutions are going to unfold on the identical time that his father is working for reelection.
In January, he will probably be arraigned in a California Courtroom on the tax expenses. And I’d pay particular consideration to the California case. I had two attorneys have a look at the 56-page indictment. They usually reached the identical conclusion that it’s a shot throughout the bow by the particular counsel. He identifies Hunter Biden as a lawyer, a marketing consultant, and a lobbyist after which goes into appreciable element about his enterprise transactions with Ukraine, with China, Romania and others.
They usually see this as an indicator that the particular counsel on the very least is investigating potential violations of overseas lobbying legal guidelines, perhaps even a superseding indictment. And that issues, as a result of that overlaps with what Republicans are doing in Congress with their impeachment inquiry. And it was this difficulty of overseas lobbying that led to the derailment of that July plea listening to. There was simply this unimaginable second in courtroom when the prosecutor was requested whether or not he would rule out future expenses on overseas lobbying, and he mentioned “no,” and that’s when the deal fractured.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Bob, how- we have a look at the transcripts of what all of the candidates say, and Donald Trump spends a variety of time speaking in regards to the President’s son and these authorized points. As this performs out in a courtroom, , how essential are the info to voters and the way essential is the notion and the way do you make sense of this?
ROBERT COSTA: Nicely, at the least contained in the Democratic Occasion, there’s mass assist for President Biden. Privately, a few of them say, President Jimmy Carter had his brother Billy, President Invoice Clinton had his brother Roger, that non-public endeavors of siblings or kids have all the time been a difficulty in presidential politics.
And till Democrats consider there’s proof introduced, if ever, that ties President Biden on to his son’s enterprise endeavors by way of being a lobbyist or being somebody who’s influencing coverage, coordinated along with his son, they’ll proceed from the rank and file to the management be behind President Biden. And you have not seen any Democrat of word come out about President Biden’s connection along with his son as something greater than familial and one thing that presents an issue. After I’m speaking to voters, it is principally Republican voters who see this as a critical difficulty.
Although the Home Republicans who’re investigating Hunter Biden have been stymied by Hunter Biden. He has declined- declined to take part in a deposition. He needs to have public testimony as Catherine has coated extensively. And for now, Congressman Dan Goldman of New York and different Democrats have informed me they’re okay with Hunter defying a congressional subpoena, which is kind of a press release to listen to from a lawmaker, however it’s indicative of the place Democrats are on this difficulty.
After I’m on the marketing campaign path, although, Margaret, whether or not it is Jared Kushner and his involvements with enterprise dealings on overseas soil, or it is Hunter Biden and his, I do not hear this rise to the extent of dialog. It is what you all the time speak about on this program. Voters are speaking about kitchen desk points, whether or not it is Republican or Democrat, the financial system, financial ache, how they see inflation on the grocery retailer or on the pump. Generally they go into overseas coverage a bit, however they’re probably not speaking about former President Trump’s authorized challenges or Hunter Biden’s.
MARGARET BRENNAN: He’s speaking about them, as are others, , elevating questions. While you have a look at a few of these candidates and their rhetoric about, once more, the deep state, bureaucrats, Ron DeSantis mentioned he needs to slit the throats of bureaucrats Nikki Haley mentioned she would hearth a variety of the individuals who work on the Justice Division, Donald Trump continues to lift questions on our courtroom system. And Jan, simply larger image, you’ve got watched the Supreme Courtroom for therefore lengthy, a courtroom that Donald Trump says- he takes credit score for shaping the- by way of its conservative route. Is there nonetheless religion in it and the way it capabilities now that they’re immediately inserted proper into our politics?
JAN CRAWFORD: We- I imply, President Trump’s nominees, three, definitely modified the Courtroom and a way more conservative route and we have seen that very clearly. I imply, that is the Supreme Courtroom that overturned Roe vs. Wade. I imply to that- that, and we have seen the political fallout from that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: For years now.
JAN CRAWFORD: Yeah. And- and so I believe what is going on to be actually fascinating for the Courtroom proper now’s that they are getting these instances, as Bob laid out too, that contain the president on any variety of ranges. And it is an actual alternative for the Supreme Courtroom, and notably the Chief Justice, to indicate that they’re above politics. The Courtroom has had all of those contentious points, abortion, affirmative motion, they’ve taken successful in polling, a few of their- the sort of the religion and confidence within the courtroom proper now, based on polls, is at amongst its lowest level ever, nonetheless increased than the opposite two branches and the media, by the way in which. However at any charge, so it is a second now the place they’ll present that they’re above politics, and that they comply with the legislation, once more, demonstrating that particularly with a few of these Trump instances. And I believe that that’s what you are going to see. I believe Trump’s gonna win some, and he’ll lose some. And, , it is a courtroom that may present they’re following the legislation, not politics.
MARGARET BRENNAN: David, one of many establishments that also has some religion in it’s the army when- if you have a look at public polling. The 12 months we’re about to start out feels very consequential on the nationwide safety entrance, not solely due to the Center East, due to the struggle that’s taking part in out in Europe at a decisive level, as we debate this Ukraine assist bundle. You have a look at Asia, the rising China, this upcoming January election in Taiwan that will probably be consequential as nicely. What’s taking place contained in the Pentagon proper now as they gear up for 2024?
DAVID MARTIN: Nicely, they are going in all kinds of various instructions. However there’s form of two Pentagon’s, there’s the one Pentagon that develops techniques and plans for future wars. They’re now targeted on China. And, , that’s only a completely completely different ballgame than Ukraine or what’s- what is going on on within the Center East. After which they nonetheless have to fret about- about terrorist organizations. So they are going in all these completely different instructions. However look, through the Biden administration, we have had the withdrawal from Afghanistan, we have had the beginning of the struggle in Ukraine, and we have had the beginning of the struggle between Israel and Hamas. They’re sort of on- on emergency standby all day, each day as it’s.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Precisely- precisely. And so I say consequential election for that day one, for the following president, or the present one who’s received fairly a full inbox at this second. However particular to the problem from China and the place we begin the 12 months. You recognize, I used to be studying, China’s high army official warned China will present no mercy to anybody who helps impartial Taiwan. And it is being framed as a selection between struggle and peace this upcoming election. Is the American army and the Chinese language army in touch but in order that this does not escalate?
DAVID MARTIN: Nicely, they’re making an attempt to- what they’re known as, is talks on the working stage to do the excessive stage contacts. However with the whole lot having to do with China, it is sophisticated. And one of many issues is the Chinese language Minister of Protection, who you’d suppose could be Austin’s- Secretary Austin’s counterpart shouldn’t be as a result of he doesn’t management forces within the area. So that they’re making an attempt to get a gathering between Austin and the actual head of the Chinese language army who was a vice chairman of the Central Army Fee. And these- these, all of those contacts had been minimize off after the journey that then Speaker Nancy Pelosi made to Taiwan. However even earlier than the Pelosi journey, Austin had been unable to get that assembly with the man that actually mattered. However even when they get these contacts going, I imply, China’s conduct shouldn’t be going to alter in a single day, they’re nonetheless going to harass American surveillance planes within the South China Sea. They’re nonetheless going to maintain build up these disputed islands within the South China Sea. It is simply one other mechanism for managing a really tough relationship.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And at the least in 2023, they began speaking on the diplomatic stage. I assume that was my brilliant spot. I forgot about it. You simply jogged my memory, David.
DAVID MARTIN; And also you should- you need to know that the present chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Workers, Normal CQ Brown is now on report as saying he doesn’t consider President Xi needs to take Taiwan by drive.
MARGARET BRENNAN: By drive.
DAVID MARTIN: By drive.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Does not imply he would not need to take it.
DAVID MARTIN: Oh, he is made that fairly clear.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure, very clear. Alright, we’ve got to take a break right here. Face the Nation will probably be again in a single minute.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And we’re again with our panel of Washington correspondents. And this is the place you get to foretell, Jeff Pegues, the long run. What’s- what’s your large prediction?
JEFF PEGUES: Let me see. Let me rub this factor.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Your knowledgeable prediction.
JEFF PEGUES: All proper, my knowledgeable prediction. Okay, nicely, that is a little bit simpler, I believe. Crime goes down throughout the nation. You would not suppose that based mostly on what you hear by way of a few of the crime on the market, however violent crime is down 13%. The ultimate numbers come out early subsequent 12 months. Law enforcement officials throughout the nation are understaffed and have managed to basically get their arms round this downside. I predict that this development will proceed. Nonetheless, there are some, , unhealthy areas- carjackings, are- they proceed to skyrocket–
MARGARET BRENNAN: — Sure. Why?
JEFF PEGUES: Nicely, it’s- it is a good query. Some individuals suppose that a few of it’s fueled by these footage on social media, giving individuals concepts. After which there- it is laborious to catch people who find themselves breaking into automobiles and theft. Particularly when you do not have sufficient cops on the road. You do not have cops strolling the beats. In order that’s nonetheless a problem for legislation enforcement. However by way of violent crime, it’s happening.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Catherine?
CATHERINE HERRIDGE: Nicely, mine’s a little bit darkish. I simply really feel a variety of concern that 2024 stands out as the 12 months of a black swan occasion. This can be a nationwide safety occasion with excessive affect that is very laborious to foretell. There are a variety of concerns- considerations, I’ve that issue into that. Not solely this form of enduring, heightened risk stage, that we’re dealing with, the wars in Israel, additionally Ukraine. And we’re so divided on this nation in ways in which we have not seen earlier than. And I believe that simply creates fertile floor for our adversaries like North Korea, China and Iran. And that is what considerations me most.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Lots of people up at evening with that concern, Catherine. At the very least on this city. Bob?
ROBERT COSTA: Speaking to my high Republican sources for months, I have been making an attempt to get a solution to the query of what occurs if former President Trump is convicted in a federal trial or in Georgia, however extra doubtless in a federal trial earlier than the Republican conference. Is there a plan B? And even once I’m means off the report with elected officers and marketing campaign strategists, they are saying virtually a chorus: no. So if Trump is the nominee, we’re taking a look at a Republican conference this coming summer season, the place there actually is not any plan to maneuver to a different candidate, the Republican Occasion due to the way in which Trump has his fingerprints on the whole lot, the state events, the delegates are very a lot in his picture politically, he might maintain on to the nomination, even when he is convicted of a federal crime. So my prediction is, you might need a disaster contained in the GOP come summer season, if Trump’s a convicted felon, however nonetheless no actual plan of the best way to deal with that in a basic election marketing campaign.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you really count on the courtroom system to maneuver that shortly, that by this summer season, you would see a conviction?
ROBERT COSTA: It is doable, the whole lot Particular Counsel Jack Smith is doing along with his filings along with his schedule together with Decide Chutkan within the January 6, case, equals velocity. They need to get this shifting come spring, early summer season. After all, as Jan has outlined, the court- the Excessive Courtroom might weigh in might change how the whole lot is deliberate by way of scheduling, however at this level, they’re shifting.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Which is why you additionally accurately predict that you simply and Jan will probably be sitting subsequent to one another answering a variety of questions within the subsequent few months.
JAN CRAWFORD: Choosing up off Bob’s level on- on predictions. I imply, I predict that the Supreme Courtroom shouldn’t be going to save lots of Donald Trump from the prison trial. He- they don’t seem to be going to rule that he’s immune from prison prosecution. And I do not suppose it is even going to be shut. It could possibly be 9-0 with the chief justice writing the opinion {that a} former president doesn’t have absolute immunity from prison prosecutions for actions they took whereas in workplace.
And I believe that the Supreme Courtroom is- additionally my different prediction is they don’t seem to be going to say Donald Trump is disqualified from working for president to the California-, I imply, that Colorado Supreme Courtroom resolution. So I believe he’ll stand trial. The Supreme Courtroom shouldn’t be going to save lots of him and he will probably be on the poll.
MARGARET BRENNAN: 91 completely different indictments, is that the tally?
ROBERT COSTA: If you happen to embrace what is going on on with the hush cash funds in New York. He is additionally dealing with the continuing civil fraud trial. Georgia. There’s the E. Jean Carroll case, you are gonna must have one other hour to actually dig into all of that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper. So in case your prediction performs out this- this could possibly be a extremely fascinating 12 months. Get your relaxation in now. David, you accurately predicted final 12 months, the following chairman of the Joint Chiefs.
DAVID MARTIN: I received one proper.
MARGARET BRENNAN: What’s your prediction this 12 months?
DAVID MARTIN: So this 12 months, I must predict the invention of alien life to compete–
MARGARET BRENNAN: What! I am sorry?
DAVID MARTIN: Excuse me, I mentioned I must. I am not. However with a purpose to compete with a shocker–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay. I believe- David, if you converse everybody listens. And I consider it is completely 100% true truth. So you actually threw me–
JAN CRAWFORD: — It additionally scares us all, yearly.
DAVID MARTIN: I am going to take it from the highest.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay.
DAVID MARTIN: With a purpose to compete with the shockers that we have got arising on this election 12 months, I must predict one thing like the invention of alien life, however I am not going to go there. As a substitute, I’m going to foretell that North Korea’s Kim Jong Un will reap the rewards of getting supplied Putin with artillery for his struggle in Ukraine. And people rewards will take the type of technical assist to his nuclear weapons applications. And we can’t comprehend it till we see North Korea testing new and improved weapons.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And maybe that seventh nuclear check everybody’s been ready for.
DAVID MARTIN: Everybody’s ready for that shoe.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So I- you’ve all set the desk superbly for my conclusion, which is that the one certainty is uncertainty. And anybody who tells you what’s going to occur with this election, and the way it may play out over the following 12 months is promoting you one thing as a result of there are simply so many various variables that every one of us are monitoring, and all of us are weighing, which is why you must watch CBS. However it’s additionally why none of us will sleep very a lot within the subsequent few months. I need to now return to you, Jeff, and ask you about what was underreported that every one of us ought to have been paying extra consideration to?
JEFF PEGUES: I believe as we head into 2024, I believe we must always have a look at these youthful generations of voters, how engaged they’re and what’s taking place within the Center East and a few of the different points, local weather change, for instance. I believe we must always watch for a way they end up.
I imply, every- each election 12 months we speak about how nicely the youth vote can actually make a distinction. This 12 months, maybe it is going to due to the extent of engagement that some individuals have in comparison with what was taking place through the Vietnam interval. Individuals moving into the streets and actually voicing their opinions. So will there be this form of related response on the polls we’ll must see.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Underneath reported?
CATHERINE HERRIDGE: I simply really feel like we will not do sufficient reporting on our servicemembers, particularly those that are struggling to get providers who really feel that their claims have been wrongly denied. Frankly, I really feel that there are occasions when the Protection Division and the VA it isn’t erring on the facet of the veteran.
And I believe after 20 years of struggle, the worldwide struggle on terror, so many are retiring with complicated bodily and emotional calls for. And we’re merely not doing sufficient and we have to do extra reporting and have extra accountability.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Bob?
ROBERT COSTA: So usually after we speak in regards to the Democratic Occasion in our reporting, not simply right here, however all over the place, we’re targeted rightly on President Biden and a few of the progressive forces within the celebration like Rep. Alexandria Ocasio Cortes.
However an underreported story, in my opinion, is the story of Democratic governors who’re rising all through the nation. They do not get a variety of consideration, Gavin Newsom does in California. However Andy Beshear simply received a gubernatorial election in 2023 in Kentucky. You’ve got Jared Polis in Colorado, Gretchen Whitmer, in Michigan, Josh Shapiro and Pennsylvania.
Together with the progressives in Congress, it is these governors are beginning to outline a brand new democratic celebration that is making some positive aspects in locations just like the South and even within the Virginia elections in current months, you noticed abortion rights come to the fore. And Democrats had been seizing on that difficulty in a state that is still a battleground. So I’ll maintain taking note of these governors, how within the post-Biden period, whether or not that is January of 2025, or January of 2029. How will they outline the celebration?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Jan?
JAN CRAWFORD: I’ll choose up on one thing that- that Jeff was speaking about. I imply, I believe what has been actually underreported is one thing that is been brewing for years. And that’s the main and dramatic change of the attitudes that we’re seeing on faculty campuses. Transferring from , like this basic liberal precept the place free speech is bedrock.
The First Modification is sacrosanct, to now, sort of, any unrestricted speech is dangerous. That is additionally framed with this type of thought, the- the philosophy of victimhood and oppress versus oppressors. And we’re seeing that play out in any variety of methods in our politics, particularly, most dramatically after the terrorist assault in Israel within the wake of Oc. 7, individuals had been shocked by what they noticed sort of unfolding on faculty campuses that is been brewing for a lot of, a few years.
And it’s changing a few of the basic liberal philosophies and shifting to one thing very completely different that I believe we will see play out in any variety of methods.
MARGARET BRENNAN: David?
DAVID MARTIN: I am going to choose a pentagon program known as Replicator, rhymes with Terminator. And it is a plan to area, inside 18 months, 1000s of small, low-cost, autonomous automobiles, drones, satellites, boats, that he would ship off, and they might function on themselves- by themselves. That is, partly to make up for China’s benefits in numbers. However past that, it is a part of this cosmic shift that is happening from the Data Age to the Age of Synthetic Intelligence.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And automation, my gosh. So my underreported, and I really feel like there are such a lot of of them proper now.
However I do need to acknowledge how laborious it’s for therefore many individuals to exit and inform the reality on the bottom as reporters nowadays and stay. 64 journalists killed in the midst of just some weeks throughout this struggle between Israel and Hamas. It is extremely tough to even get in to report in Gaza. And I am proud, as I am positive all of us are of our colleagues who proceed to take action whereas reporting on the destruction of the place they stay in actually tough occasions.
However it’s not simply there. How laborious it’s to get a visa to get in and report on the bottom in China, the adversary the U.S. must know essentially the most about and infrequently is aware of the least about. In Russia, the place you may even report on the struggle taking place in Ukraine freely and brazenly. And that hurts our means to remain knowledgeable.
And as an citizens, the whole lot capabilities across the high quality of the knowledge we obtain, to have the ability to take part in democracy. So I just- my hat’s off to the people who find themselves nonetheless capable of exit in these terribly tough conditions and report. So if you complain in regards to the media, individuals like that, I do. The opposite bit I need to get you to do and that is laborious, Jeff, excellent news for 2023. Do you’ve a excellent news story for us?
JEFF PEGUES: I believed we did that, I assume not?
MARGARET BRENNAN: No. We did predictions. We did beneath report.
JAN CRAWFORD: It says quite a bit if you’re–
JEFF PEGUES: I imply, we could not speak soccer although.
JAN CRAWFORD: Oh, that is my story.
JEFF PEGUES: Oh, I might do the Ravens. However each time I do the Raven, all proper. Excellent news….
CATHERINE HERRIDGE: Would you like me to go?
JEFF PEGUES: You guys. Yeah. Okay.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That sums up the 12 months. I am going to take a go on 2023. Catherine.15:27:14
CATHERINE HERRIDGE: You recognize, I believe the spotlight for me this 12 months was actually attending to know this retired colonel within the Inexperienced Berets Parris Davis. We first reported on him, his paperwork was misplaced on the top of the Civil Rights Motion in Vietnam. Lots of people blamed race for the lack of that paperwork. And he received the Medal of Honor this 12 months.
I met him first on the 14th Road Bridge, we did a brush go, he despatched me his paperwork to assessment. And I mentioned we received a narrative right here. And after virtually 60 years of ready, there was no bitterness in him. There was a variety of forgiveness.
And his daughter mentioned his story actually confirmed the flexibility to form of mend fences and that it is by no means too late to do the suitable factor. And that to me was simply such a brilliant spot on this 12 months.
ROBERT COSTA: One of many saddest issues in recent times I’ve seen as a reporter goes to the Capitol, particularly through the top of the pandemic and seeing it empty. And up to now 12 months, I have been actually completely happy to see vacationers, college students, dad and mom, households again in the US Capitol, and I used to be there in current weeks once they had the change within the speakership.
They usually had been altering the signal above the speaker’s door within the Capitol, and there have been no fights. There was no violence like we noticed on Jan. 6, there was just a few selfies being taken with the brand new signal for Speaker Mike Johnson and vacationers had been bustling round. And that could be a citadel for democracy, and for too lengthy, for apparent and comprehensible causes with the pandemic.
Individuals are out of the Capitol, however persons are again in. And that is a particular place to report. It is a particular place to go to. I am glad to see individuals again there and again in Washington soaking in our nation’s historical past and democracy.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Jan?
JAN CRAWFORD: You recognize, I all the time, I imply, I am simply such a sucker for tales when any individual sort of, , they- they stand as much as the haters and so they overcome the doubters. And so my feel-good story is how Nick Saban did the best teaching job within the historical past of faculty soccer.
Alabama misplaced the second sport of the season. The dynasty was lifeless, Saban was performed, and now Alabama, my Crimson Tide, is again, doubtlessly taking part in for a nationwide championship going to the faculty soccer playoff. It will be Nick Saban and seventh nationwide championship with the Nice College of Alabama, Roll Tide.
DAVID MARTIN: The next delivered to you, proper?
MARGARET BRENNAN: David, you’ve excellent news for us?
DAVID MARTIN: This one was straightforward. Range within the armed forces. Secretary Austin, first African American Secretary of Protection is now in his third 12 months. We now have an African American chairman of the joint chiefs of employees. We’ve got a lady as chief of Naval Operations, the primary feminine member of the joint chiefs of employees. And we’ve got girls who’re heads of the U.S. southern and U.S. transportation instructions.
I can not say that equality and variety exists all through the ranks. However these are essential excessive profile jobs. They usually, till now, have simply been past the attain of girls and minorities.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That is a excellent news story, David. So mine is on the medical entrance. mRNA vaccines put apart COVID the expertise and the analysis continues.
And there have been some breakthroughs from Merck and Moderna not too long ago a couple of vaccine in opposition to an aggressive type of pores and skin most cancers, there’s analysis into vaccines in opposition to breast most cancers, and that is a superb factor. I believe all of us would finally wish to see the elimination or at the least the discount and elevated survivability. So that’s excellent news, medical breakthroughs. And we’ll be proper again with much more Face the Nation, stick with us.
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