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The next is a transcript of an interview with Queen Rania al Abdullah of Jordan that aired on Might 5, 2024.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Your Majesty, thanks for making time for us.
QUEEN RANIA AL ABDULLAH: Thanks. It is a pleasure to be right here.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Jordan has two subject hospitals within Gaza, Jordan helps to get assist into the Strip. The UN estimates that no less than 15,000 youngsters have been killed since this battle started in October. What’s the impression within the area?
QUEEN RANIA: Nicely, look, to start with, Gaza within the final seven months has turn out to be unrecognizable. Cities have became a wasteland. Rising completely happy youngsters have been lowered to pores and skin and bone. 2.3 million individuals in a brief, in a small space have been going via hell each single day. 1.7 million of them have been displaced, and never only one a few of them a number of instances. They usually’re at present residing in situations which might be unimaginable, in makeshift shelters, in tents on the road. A UNICEF was listening to from teenage women saying that they’d quite be killed than dwell below these situations. And so many have been killed, nearly 35,000 Individuals 70% of them girls and youngsters. As you talked about, nearly 15,000 Youngsters, Gaza has the very best, sadly, sadly, the very best cohort of kid amputees. And each couple of days, we’re dropping youngsters to hunger. We within the Arab world have been seeing this battle dwell streamed each single day, and it has turn out to be central to our lives. And it has been fairly devastating. And the impression has been clearly, persons are so traumatized by what they’re seeing every single day, we had been traumatized by October 7, however then this battle, we really feel isn’t, you recognize, Israel is saying that this was a defensive battle. Clearly, it was instigated by October 7, however the best way it is being fought isn’t in a defensive method. You already know, 60% of houses have been destroyed. 80% of faculties and well being care facilities have been destroyed. Are we to consider that they had been Hamas operatives and every a kind of? You already know, so so, you recognize, the- the impression has been very, very huge on us. And I feel individuals, I am unsure in case your viewers know this, however individuals view the U.S. as being a celebration to this battle. As a result of, you recognize, Israeli officers say that with out US assist, they could not launch this battle, you recognize, you flip off the faucet and the weapons dry out. So and so there was anger in our a part of the world, not simply what- what’s taking place, however on the world’s response. After we see these violations, human rights violations and worldwide regulation violations, and we’re watching the World letting it occur. When October seventh occurred, the world rightfully condemned and took robust actions, robust positions. We’re outraged that the identical isn’t taking place when Palestinians are getting killed. And so there’s a sense of the selective utility of humanitarian regulation and a way of unfairness, a way of our lives do not matter as a lot. And, you recognize, that is one thing I feel that is making a, actually inflicting a terrific lack of credibility to the US, but additionally inflicting us to rethink our, our view of the world order, you recognize. As merciless and-and ugly because the battle in Gaza is, the state of our rules-based world order is trying exponentially worse. Individuals are Gaza as a mirrored image of the remainder of the world the place, you recognize, the principles do not matter, the place worldwide regulation would not matter, the place UN resolutions will be ignored. And I feel that units a really, very harmful precedent. As a result of actions like these, they are not solely a betrayal for the individuals of Gaza, however they’re truly a betrayal of the safeguards that should preserve us all protected.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You stated individuals again residence see the USA as complicit in what’s taking place?
QUEEN RANIA: They see it as an enabler, you recognize. So clearly the US is the nation that has most leverage over the US- over Israel. And like I stated, you recognize, it’s the greatest ally and largest supporter. And the Arab world is getting- the remainder of the world truly is getting blended messages. On the one hand, the US is demanding that extra assist rightfully return into Gaza. On the similar time, they’re- they’re denying that the hunger is intentional. On the one hand, they’re outraged by the assaults on the help convoys. However on the similar time, they’re denying that Israel is violating worldwide humanitarian regulation. There’s an expression of concern over civilian deaths, however on the similar time, there is a provision of offensive weapons to Israel which might be used towards Palestinians. So in a way, you recognize, you- once you attempt so laborious to string the needle, you may threat dropping the ball, you may threat letting your values and rules unravel and, and that has a deep impression. So for instance, even when the US allowed the UN Safety Council decision on the ceasefire to go, the subsequent day, there was an announcement saying that it isn’t it isn’t legally binding. UN resolutions are completely legally binding. And these authorized frameworks are there to make sure that all international locations adhere to requirements of conduct. They’re both relevant to everybody or they are not. Both everyone seems to be accountable or nobody is. So the subsequent time a rustic breaks guidelines, you recognize, and the US comes and tries to use extra authority, these international locations are going to say, properly, you made an exception right here. So why apply it to us? So I feel individuals, you recognize, we’re seeing Israel falling wanting ethical customary after ethical stand- authorized customary after authorized customary, and the world is refusing to behave. So I feel Gaza now is sort of a microcosm of our new world dysfunction, of the breakdown of worldwide norms of the return of may is true. And I feel that is very harmful, not only for our area, however for the complete world.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You already know, not too long ago President Biden, nearly a month in the past, warned Prime Minister Netanyahu that US coverage would change, if Israel’s habits and conduct on this battle did not change. Do you consider the US is beginning to use the leverage you say it has?
QUEEN RANIA: Nicely, look, there’s positively been a change in tone and language. And also you’re proper, the President has been warning and has been making an attempt very laborious to influence Netanyahu, for instance, to not enter Rafah. However we have seen again and again, Israeli officers, not heeding the warnings or counsel or recommendation of allies. So, I feel it is time that the worldwide group, together with the US, actually use this political leverage to compel Israel to finish the battle and to let assist in.
MARGARET BRENNAN: How?
QUEEN RANIA: It is an- it’s- by taking measures, proper. So once more, it is by standing up for worldwide regulation, saying, for instance, the constructing of unlawful settlements is- is incorrect. And it has to cease. It is by saying that, you recognize, we’re not going to offer you offensive weapons, it is by saying, we’re not going to proceed to make use of our veto to not maintain Israel accountable- accountable, when it breaks the regulation. Diplomatic strain can also be very, essential. So there are a lot of instruments that the US has to be able to compel Israel to do the suitable factor. And I feel, for the sake of our world, the US could also be Israel’s most- closest ally, however a very good buddy holds a buddy accountable. You do not give them a carte blanche after they’re not doing the suitable factor. And I feel it does Israel a terrific disservice once we do not maintain it accountable, as a result of it creates a tradition of impunity. And that has been the scenario for many years, the place they really feel that they’ll, they are often the exception to each worldwide regulation and customary. Both you are a part of the worldwide group, and also you abide by the principles, otherwise you’re a pariah state that is not- that is made an exception to each rule. So, so I feel that in case you care about your ally, you’ll truly take motion to set them- and that might be for Israel’s greatest curiosity in the long run.
MARGARET BRENNAN: At first of this battle, you had been outspoken in regards to the humanitarian issues very early on, and you’re the Queen of Jordan, however you are additionally Palestinian.
QUEEN RANIA: Proper.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You argued individuals want to know that Palestinian moms love their youngsters simply as a lot as Israeli moms. Why do you’re feeling like that wanted to be stated?
QUEEN RANIA: Nicely, as a result of, you recognize, for many years, the dehumanization of Palestinians, has been an intentional strategy that Israel adopted to be able to numb individuals to Palestinian struggling. You already know, it is truly fairly shocking to see simply how deep the undercurrents of dehumanization has run. Israelis have just about you recognize, Arabs are typically accused of instructing hate, Palestinians as properly. However it’s Israelis have truly walled Palestinians out of sight and out of thoughts, it is form of lowered them to anonymous, faceless safety threats that it’s important to defend your self towards. They do not find out about Palestinians. They’re by no means launched to them as actual individuals. Any makes an attempt to deliver Palestinian tales into books are-are barred. So this sense of- and we truly noticed that, you recognize, among the many individuals blocking assist into Palestinians had been younger youngsters, I am unable to perceive how anyone might be so detached to human struggling.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You are speaking now about a few of the protests which might be making an attempt to interrupt the cargo of assist into Gaza?
QUEEN RANIA: I am speaking a couple of deep tradition, an omnipresent perspective about Palestinians, that claims that Palestinians are subhuman, that they’re violent due to one thing intrinsic in them. It is one thing of their nature. It is- it is, it isn’t as a result of there’s violence inflicted on them. And so once you cut back individuals to a violent, people who find themselves completely different to us, so they are not ethical like us, so subsequently it is okay to inflict ache and struggling on them as a result of they do not really feel it the identical method we do. It permits individuals to do dangerous issues. That is-that’s the psychological loophole of dehumanization, it means that you can justify the unjustifiable, to do dangerous issues and nonetheless see your self as a very good individual. And we’re seeing that occur within the case of Palestinians, they do not really feel the Palestinians, that is why I stated the moms love their youngsters the identical method as a result of, you recognize, it means that you can do dangerous issues and not likely have an ethical dilemma with it. And that is what- what’s taking place. However you recognize, dehumanization works each methods. As a result of once you lose your capacity to empathize in direction of the opposite facet, you turn out to be hardened your self, it degrades your individual, your individual humanity. And we’re seeing this taking place in Israeli society the place they’re turn out to be so hardened. And I simply wish to urge individuals to- to know that this narrative, this propaganda that is been fed this anti-Palestinian racism, that Palestinians don’t need peace, that Palestinians solely perceive the language of violence and drive, that’s incorrect.
MARGARET BRENNAN: To see Hamas as representing Palestinian individuals, you are saying, is incorrect?
QUEEN RANIA: Completely incorrect. And in addition, simply to- simply to level out that most people alive in Gaza immediately weren’t alive when Hamas was elected. They had been both child- they weren’t born, or they had been youngsters on the time. So completely, Hamas doesn’t symbolize the bulk of- of Palestinians. And if Palestinians hate Israelis, it’s not due to their faith, or their id, it is due to the truth that they’ve solely interacted with them as enforcers of a army state. They’ve solely identified them to their check- checkpoints and bullets and weapons. It isn’t one thing that is inherently in them towards Jewish individuals. Actually, I at all times attempt to remind folks that you recognize, we have now coexisted, Christians, Muslims and Jewish individuals, for the longest time. That is the place the three monotheistic religions had been born. And previous to the delivery of Zionism, the Muslim majority in Palestine, lived in full friendship and tolerance with the- with the Jewish minority, there was by no means a problem of antisemitism there.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, you recognize, historians will argue, antisemitism has been current all through historical past, proper. And it’s laborious for individuals to listen to a few of what you are saying and never react in that method, the place they hear a characterization of criticism of the Israeli authorities or the Israeli army, and see the place you are separating from Jewish individuals. Lots of people do not hear a distinction.
QUEEN RANIA: Antisemitism is completely current. And it’s- and it has been on the rise, it has been on the surge. And it’s the worst form of bigotry, it’s pure hatred. And I at all times say that Muslims should be- should be on the forefront of preventing antisemitism, as a result of Islamophobia is the opposite facet of the identical illness, and it is also on the rise. Judaism is a faith of peace. It’s the first of the three monotheistic religions. And as Muslims, you recognize, we- it was- it was Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. All of us consider in the identical God. And the problem is once you attempt to conflate anti-Israeli coverage with antisemitism, proper. Antisemitism is once you persecute any individual, otherwise you discriminate towards any individual primarily based on their Jewish id. Israel is a state. It has political coverage, political events. So you may criticize the State of Israel however that is not essentially antisemitism. So when individuals rise up and communicate towards the battle in Gaza, after they’re speaking about the- communicate towards the collective punishment, once you deprive individuals of meals as a weapon of battle, when- when complete populations displaced, when there’s indiscriminate bombing. That isn’t antisemitism, that’s talking towards Israeli coverage. And I feel it might be incorrect to carry the Jewish group chargeable for the actions of the, or the insurance policies of, Israel. And plenty of Jewish individuals completely reject this- this conflation. They did not they- they- they wish to defend their Jewish id and say that they- the Jewish religion has existed 3,000 years earlier than the delivery of the State of Israel. So it- it predates the State of Israel and- and it is [inaudible] to conflate the spiritual side with the politics. I do not assume it serves anyone and it actually would not deliver us nearer to peace.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, let me ask you about that as a result of, you recognize, there are protests at schools throughout the USA, right here in New York, different cities, in solidarity with Palestinians in Gaza. However there’s additionally this notion amongst some college students that they’re unsafe, as a result of they’re, for instance, Jewish college students. What do you consider the protests and are you stunned to see younger People protesting like this?
QUEEN RANIA: Initially, I feel it is necessary to level out that regulation and order are paramount for everyone. And so, it- it will be important for college students to abide by the principles of the campus, to not disrupt courses, to not disrupt different college students exper- faculty expertise. On the similar time, as I stated, there’s a rise in antisemitism, and it is incorrect for any pupil to should really feel unsafe on campus. That being stated, we want to- feelings are operating excessive and I feel individuals are- are dropping sight of what these- these college students are protesting. For them, the problem of Gaza and the Palestinian battle is extra about social justice. They’re standing up for human rights, for worldwide regulation, for the rules that underpin worldwide regulation. They’re standing up for the longer term that they’ll inherit. In order that they’re asking their universities to divest from an unlawful occupation. However on the similar time, may- possibly extra importantly, they’re suggesting that there’s extra to the story than we have now been informed. That there’s that the narrative that we have now been fed that- that- that Israel is the sufferer and the Palestinians are- are violent individuals who deserve what’s taking place to them. That- that’s not the complete story.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Why do you assume that is taking place on faculty campuses? Why do you assume younger individuals really feel this fashion?
QUEEN RANIA: Nicely, truly, it is lots of people really feel this fashion. However faculty campuses have at all times been the location of- of activism. You already know, younger college students are studying about these points at that age. You wish to rise up, you are extra idealistic, you wish to rise up for values you consider in. You are- you are outraged when- when issues aren’t going proper, when- when- when what you are taught, and what you consider must be the suitable factor is not taking place. And they also’re expressing their views. However I feel to- to color all these college students and all these protests in a- in a broad paintbrush and to vilify them as being, you recognize, pro-Hamas or pro-terrorism or antisemitic, I feel that is inaccurate. And I feel it’s- it is considerably patronizing to a few of these college students, as a result of lots of people had been saying, properly, you recognize, “They do not even know what they’re protesting, they’re simply protesting for the sake of it.” A variety of them are properly learn, considerate younger people who know precisely what they’re protesting. They’re protesting for justice. And–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –Do you assume it is going to change US international coverage?
QUEEN RANIA: Nicely, I- I- I do not- I do not know if it is going to change US international coverage. It is actually a grassroots motion and an ex- expression of a era that really feel that there’s a contradiction between the values and rules that they had been taught that this nation stands for and what’s truly taking place on the bottom. And, once more, let’s not overlook that there are a considerable variety of Jewish college students who’re concerned in these protests. And the overwhelming majority of those protests wish to be peaceable, they do not wish to be harmful. And I feel a very powerful factor is to have real engagement with- with- with the scholars, to have an open debate to listen to from them and- and clarify to them. I imply, loads of instances they’re saying, “Nicely, these youngsters, you want training.” I feel we have to go into this figuring out that we want training as properly. So it is a give and take. And we noticed an instance in Brown College, the place that form of wholesome debate ended up, you recognize, type of calming issues down and the place it was a win-win scenario. So the extra you employ drive, I feel the extra that inflames the scenario.
MARGARET BRENNAN: How are younger individuals in Jordan desirous about this proper now? I imply, what’s the sentiment by way of the American unconditional assist for the federal government of Israel?
QUEEN RANIA: I’ve to say, in a single phrase, there’s outrage, you recognize. There’s outrage, as a result of, you recognize, for many younger individuals, even those that possibly had been towards American international coverage, or no matter disagreed with it, we at all times regarded as much as the US, you recognize, as a rustic of a democratic nation, with democratic values, with utility of regulation with freedom of speech, with, you recognize, human rights, and many others. And, as I stated, you recognize, the younger individuals at the moment are feeling extraordinarily disillusioned, how can this be taking place, whereas the US is permitting it to occur, whereas the remainder of the world is- is permitting it to occur? Blatant disregard for worldwide regulation, and- and- and simply, you recognize, when the US- when- when Israel says, you recognize, that we’re not focusing on civilians and then you definately have a look at the fact on the bottom that we’re seeing with our personal two eyes, and we’re seeing and by the admission of some Israeli intelligence sources, they had been saying that they usually attacked their targets at evening of their houses, with their households, which has led to the deaths of 1000’s of ladies and youngsters. Now we have seen wild- broadly unfold experiences about Israel utilizing AI programs to generate the biggest variety of targets, prioritizing amount over high quality. And so- the- actually by taking humanity out of the equation, of their calculus, it is okay to flatten the complete neighborhood or kill the complete household to get one goal. And so the entire precept of proportionality and distinction between- between civilians and combatants has been deserted on this battle. And, you recognize, when- when Israelis are telling us, you recognize, “They’re dying as a result of Hamas is utilizing them as human shields.” Nicely, you recognize, you could have a spot like- like Gaza, which is without doubt one of the most densely populated locations on this planet, being hit by an unprecedented variety of dumb bombs, that are untargeted, unguided bombs, or large bombs, that are the 2000-pound bombs. To place in perspective, in preventing ISIS, the US solely used one such bomb, as a result of it is identified that it has a really excessive threat of killing civilians. So that you hit probably the most densely populated place on earth with an unprecedented variety of unguided bombs, and mass of bombs, and we’re purported to consider that Israel is making an attempt to keep away from killing civilians? It simply doesn’t- it would not add up.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You’ve got had protests in Jordan–
QUEEN RANIA: –Sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Outdoors embassies and alike. Amnesty Worldwide says Jordanian safety arrested no less than 1,500 individuals for protesting. Why? Are you involved there’s a risk to the soundness of Jordan?
QUEEN RANIA: Under no circumstances. I- we all know, because the starting of this battle, we have had 1000’s of individuals exit, I feel we have had about 1700 demonstrations of individuals going out, advocating, and- and standing out in solidarity with the Palestinian individuals. And you recognize, on the finish of the day, Jordan- and most of those demonstrations have been friction-free with the police. And, but- the end- finish of the day, Jordan is a rustic of regulation and order. So so long as individuals abide- are abiding by the regulation, as I stated, with the demonstrations right here, then they’re free to protest. It is solely once we see vandalism or assaults on private and non-private property, that the safety forces clearly have duty to come back in, to step in. However, once more, Jordan has been most likely on the forefront of nations which have stood up and spoken overtly about, in protection of, what’s taking place, and, you recognize, in protection of Palestinians, and that is not simply the management, however that is additionally the individuals themselves, the individuals, the federal government and the management. So we’re- we’re on the identical web page on this.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, the Director of Nationwide Intelligence on this nation, Avril Haines, testified, saying there might be a generational impression from the battle in Gaza. And that was additionally a gesture to terror recruitment. How involved are you that that’s what could occur to a few of these younger individuals, who you say are simply inundated with pictures of what is taking place?
QUEEN RANIA: You already know, like I stated, it’s- it isn’t simply the people who find themselves on the acute that- which might be being enraged by this. It is people who find themselves within the center as properly, people who find themselves westernized, individuals who studied right here, individuals who- who’re all of a sudden simply trying on the world and saying, you recognize, they’re so the answer. They’re saying, you recognize, clearly there are completely different requirements, that humanitarian regulation is utilized selectively, and that our lives do not matter. And that it is okay for- for, you recognize, nearly 15,000 youngsters to be killed, 19,000 to be orphaned. It is okay for- for, you recognize, the infrastructure to be obliterated. It is okay to use- to cease the supply of assist and meals to a complete inhabitants. That’s collective punishment. It is a battle crime, and it is taking place. And so, the younger persons are saying, you recognize, I suppose the West would not like us. So- so, for my part, that is most likely one of the radical, large- sorry, largest recruitment occasion that we have seen in latest historical past. As a result of it is turned lots of people away. And it is making individuals really feel like there’s simply no justice on this world. And that may be a very harmful place to be.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That’s- what you might be describing is what Protection Secretary Austin warned Israel about, that you possibly can have a tactical win and a strategic loss in the long run. That is what I hear you saying, that it will result in extra terror recruitment?
QUEEN RANIA: Completely. And I- once more, I don’t have to ask ourselves this- the straightforward query, is that this battle making Israel safer? Is it making our world safer? You already know, I’d argue, after 35,000 individuals lifeless, after the obliteration of the civilian infrastructure, in- in Gaza, after the violations of a lot, after the rhetoric that we’re listening to, you recognize, from Israeli officers, calling Palestinians human animals, or saying, when the Prime Minister says that Palestinians are youngsters of darkness, that they solely perceive the principles of the jungle, you recognize? When officers say we have to discover a more practical method than loss of life to inflict struggling on Palestinians. How is that making Israel safer? I imply, you recognize, how? That is- we have to create- peace isn’t about politics solely, it is about individuals. It is about tradition, it is about frame of mind. It is about selecting tolerance over suspicion, it is about selecting compromise and reconciliation over the false promise of victory. And the politics within Israel has shifted to this point to the suitable that it is turn out to be acceptable. Israelis are stunned when the phrase genocide is used, as a result of they can not see Palestinians as something however as a safety risk, that they deserve what’s taking place to them.You already know, in a poll–
MARGARET BRENNAN: They’re traumatized after October 7, many Israelis.
QUEEN RANIA: Completely traumatized, I perceive that. And I perceive that, due to my very own background, that I’d establish with the Palestinian facet extra, and I- due to that, I problem myself each single day to place myself within the sneakers of an Israeli mom, who is- who has a baby that is been taken as hostage, or- or any younger Israeli who has been taught and who’s heard of the horrible persecution that the Jewish individuals needed to endure in Europe. And- and I attempted to empathize and see the place they’re coming from. And completely, you recognize, we want the hostages to go residence as quickly as attainable. And we want the battle to finish as quickly as attainable in order that Palestinians can return to their houses, if they’ve houses left. So, I perceive that- that what occurred on October 7 was traumatic and devastating for Israeli society. However the response to it has not helped the scenario. You can not simply depend on your- this visceral response of retribution and revenge. As a result of then you definately’re just- you recognize, you are simply going into the cycle of violence and simply digging deeper in it, and it is simply going to maintain getting worse. The- Israel might have retaliated via surgical strikes towards Hamas. However that is not what we’re seeing immediately. You already know, we’re seeing a battle that’s not fought in a defensive method.
MARGARET BRENNAN: If you had been on the White Home in February, President Biden talked about that your husband, King Abdullah, and two of your youngsters had participated in airdrops in Gaza. However you’ve got referred to the airdrops as “simply drops in an ocean”. What is required at this level to reverse the famine in North Gaza?
QUEEN RANIA: Proper, so- so you recognize, these airdrops had been simply acts of desperation. And my husband stated from day one, they’re inefficient, they’re pricey, and they don’t start to satisfy the wants of the individuals of Gaza. However in our calculus, it was something is best than nothing, proper? And, you recognize, the starvation figures within the Gaza are unprecedented. Each single individual in Gaza is hungry, 1 / 4 of the inhabitants is ravenous. And once we noticed that devastating assault on the World Central Kitchens, there was loads of strain on Israel to permit extra meals and assist into Gaza. There’s been a slight uptick. However actually, on the finish of the day, there’s- they are not even near assembly the wants of–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, who might distribute that? If- if the battle ended, even, would Jordan be capable of are available and assist with reconstruction?
QUEEN RANIA: So this is- so- so- so that is the factor, you recognize, I feel what that strike did, for instance, was cease assist, make a number of businesses droop their operations as a result of they did not really feel protected working in Gaza. And this after Israel has- has- has bombed flower fields, agricultural land, fishing boats, mainly decimating Gaza’s capacity to feed itself, not simply immediately, however for years to come back. And so what’s required is a everlasting ceasefire that permits the hostages to return residence and folks to return to their houses. We have to put strain on Israel to open all entry factors. And the land entry is probably the most environment friendly approach to ship assist at- at scale. We simply streamline the vetting course of which now could be so sophisticated and arbitrary. And- and you recognize, they might discover one factor in a truck that they’re- do not approve, and the entire truck has to return. And- and the very last thing is that we have to permit assist employees protected entry inside Gaza, in order that they’ll truly ship the help to the folks that want it. But when we don’t flood Gaza with assist quickly then we’re going to be dealing with a mass famine. And I do not know the way the world simply is completely happy doing that. It is just- it’s- it is a main stain on our international consciousness to see this taking place in sluggish movement, and never do one thing about it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Jordan has had a peace treaty with Israel since 1994. If Israel goes into southern Gaza into Rafa, because the Prime Minister says he intends to do, will peace maintain?
QUEEN RANIA: As you stated, we have had peace with Israel since ’94. And Jordan at all times honors the commitments that it indicators as much as in peace agreements. We’ll at all times be on the facet of peace and diplomacy. However- however diplomacy requires belief, and loads of that belief has been eroded through the years due to violations. towards individuals in Gaza and the West Financial institution. And- and due to the undermining of the Jordanian custodianship of the Christian and Muslim websites in Jerusalem, that are a part of this settlement—
MARGARET BRENNAN: What do you imply by that? What’s occurred?
QUEEN RANIA: Nicely, again and again, you recognize, we have now violations towards Christian websites and Muslim websites by Israeli troops who aren’t permitting individuals to go in, who’re arresting individuals, who aren’t permitting individuals to hope. We’re seeing that taking place on a regular basis. And so that is continually undermining the Hashemite function and custodianship of those holy websites. And so- so there is a matter with that. And with it comes- when with regards to Rafah, the world you recognize, there are ongoing each day strikes on Rafah as we communicate. But when there was to be a full scale invasion, then you recognize, the world has warned that there might be a blood- massacre for the straightforward cause that half the inhabitants of Gaza is now sheltering in Rafah, we’re speaking about 50,000 individuals per sq. mile. And because the starting of this battle, there was- they had been pushed systematically, additional and additional south. Rafah is the tip of the road, there’s nowhere else for them to go, there’s solely a six sq. mile piece of land that could- might be thought-about protected zone. In order that they have nowhere to go. And I do not know the way Israel might go in surgically with out inflicting a large variety of civilian deaths. And so I feel the world actually must compel Israel to not do it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Your Majesty, thanks in your time. I am being informed we’re out of time.
QUEEN RANIA: Thanks.
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